Stephen Fry and Abuse Victims.

'If I'm getting lively about it, its because I feel lively about it.' (18)

Social media is on fire again, fingers hovering over keys, new tweets, Facebook statuses and blogs composed. It’s another knee jerk reaction to somebody else’s words, ironically a reaction to an interview Stephen gave about free speech.

In the interview with  Dave Rubin, Fry spoke about the renaissance, that lustrous time when innovative new ideas and uncensored free thought abounded in society. It’s natural to look back at it with nostalgia and wonder what happened. Fry mentioned the statue of Cecil Rhodes at Oriel College, Oxford. Campaigners called for its removal as it expressed a positive message about imperialism. He went on to say:

‘It’s started to happen in the attempted removal of statues of people who are considered unlikeable – once beloved – and have become ‘un-persons’ in a very 1984-way.’

I agreed with Fry when he suggested the statue should have better left where it was, it would have been a better tool to argue about the effects of imperialism than a non-tool once removed. This also speaks to a more general attitude whereby we cannot separate the talents of a person, say a great artist from the personal life of a man which may be rather sordid. Can’t we as a society hold two conflicting views any more, critique great works of fiction or study a painting and revel in its craftmanship, enjoy a persons talent and mastery and see it as something separate and distinct from the character of a person.

Fry was correct when he remarked that we are going backwards, we certainly are not moving forward any more, the progressive days of the renaissance are long behind us. We only have to look at religion; the pretend Christianity of the UK where there is no separation between church and state; the  fundamental religious bigots in America or mutter the name Donald Trump to understand exactly how fat we’ve come. Fry may believe the UK is a secular place, but David Cameron is still fond of aligning himself to the Christian faith, couching his work as PM in some higher order religious undertaking when in reality he would be better employing Lucifer at the helm of his right wing fanatical death squad. I do have to add here that Stephen’s understanding of Britain having great social justice is rather absurd, borne from the fact that much of what happens in society doesn’t affect him. He is probably unaware of the economic plight of most of the UK population or the fact that David Cameron is doing away with the Human Rights Act, so as not to be held accountable for the forward motion of policies he will bring in.

In relation to being regressive, Fry talked about student campuses and although he didn’t mention it, the idea of not giving anyone a platform whose ideas you object to is relevant. It’s the same idea again, that unless someone shares the exact same opinions on important matters as yourself, then they don’t have a right to speak, even if they still have a huge amount of experience and original thought to offer their audience. He went on to discuss trigger warnings. I remember an article last year where a group of students campaigned for trigger warnings on books, these were young people claiming that literature that involved any form of abuse or violence was so distressing as to need a prior warning of the fact. This is the infantilism of society that Fry talked about, the need for everything to be sanitized and nice and not in the least ambiguous or complex so that people don’t have to struggle. It’s an interesting debate. On the one hand the arts has always covered difficult topics as it represents the civilisations we inhabit and the plethora of ugly and frightful experiences we can experience, similarly people who’ve experienced these things have often still been able to consume art of all varieties or if distressing, have been able to make an informed choice not to do so. It’s only now that suddenly young people want trigger warning which does strike me as absurd, but then films and music often carry warnings, so maybe it’s not so much about the absurdity as a natural consequence of the constant movement of a much more politically correct society.

Fry went on to say:

“There are many great plays which contain rapes, and the word rape now is even considered a rape. They’re terrible things and they have to be thought about, clearly, but if you say you can’t watch this play, you can’t watch Titus Andronicus, or you can’t read it in an English class, or you can’t watch Macbeth because it’s got children being killed in it.”

He has a point, isn’t the whole point of art to produce discussion and discourse. He says himself that these things need thinking about clearly, as the opposite stance is we ignore them, pretend they don’t exist in a our nice sterilized worlds. We can only move forward as a society by creating dialogues and analysing why these things happen, not by avoidance and wrapping our young in cotton wool, so as to give a warped fairytale backdrop to their understanding of the populations they inhabit.

Stephen’s final comments which has caused a storm on social media were in context to his earlier discussion, but as is now often the case have been taken as a separate entity in and of themselves, divorced from the contextual reference and used as some sort of stick to beat Fry with.

He said with regards to the art and trigger warnings:

“It might trigger something when you were young that upset you once, because uncle touched you in a nasty place, well I’m sorry.

It’s a great shame and we’re all very sorry that your uncle touched you in that nasty place – you get some of my sympathy – but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.”

I can understand that Fry did have quite the rant at the interview and he  certainly got himself over excited, which is often the case with him. It’s my belief that sometimes when he’s talking, he gets so wrapped up in it all, that he loses himself and confuses everyone else in the process. There seemed to be something a little awkward about it, as he learned over the table in his impassioned speech, but I don’t for one second believe his words were aimed at abuse victims generally. The comments were in reference to those he had discussed before, the cries of people wanting trigger warnings on everything and anything in order to never be made to feel uncomfortable or taken by surprise by the evils of the world we live in. Maybe we will end up having them, but I for one don’t think it will be a progressive move, it will be a backwards one, whereby Shakespeare is no longer read and Lolita isn’t talked about and the only art talked about is the sort that doesn’t shock.

That would be a sad world and would make it even more isolating for anyone to come forward when they’re abused, not less.

Stephen Fry has since made a statement.



15 thoughts on “Stephen Fry and Abuse Victims.

  1. My bf says we’re getting dumber, at least here in the US. He blames technology largely. It’s so true your point about appreciating or critiquing the art or work separate from the character of the individual. Nice piece, H.

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  2. I think you put these points much better than Fry, more rationally. I agree with you that he wasn’t trying to have a go at abuse victims, but due to bad wording and a very bad example, that is what he ended up doing. It is absolutely true that as a society we need to discuss problems, not hide from them, but while it’s true that Fry has stimulated debate, he also alienated a lot of people with what he said. Anyway, thank you for the calm, clear analysis, we need as much of this as possible.


  3. I haven’t heard the Fry interview, but every word you wrote makes complete sense. A bit sick and tired of political correctness and all the pretense. We need more and more who say it like it is, be it through art or in life.

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  4. Fab post, Henrietta. So clear and I greatly appreciate your insights. Holding different opinions and having a debate is so healthy for a society. Sadly there’s too much fear of not conforming or saying the wrong thing or maybe even being misunderstood as Stephen’s example amply demonstrates.

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  5. Excellent post H. So many points I want to discuss.

    On the idea of trigger warnings. I have never been a fan of them for two main reasons. Firstly in my experience and others I’ve spoken to, anything that’s triggering tends to be specific to the person themselves, so attempting to pre-empty what is triggering to a particular population is in some ways furtile. Secondly, (and I say this as someone with mental illness), there is a danger of been molly coddled and not been used to the sudden nature of life. Trigger warnings can be harmful in this respect as they can prevent preparation for the unexpected in life.

    As for student campuses, the no platforming that is taking place I feel is wrong. Yes words are powerful. But the censorship of the no platform isn’t based on the harm of words, but the disagreement of them. Comedians such as Jerry Seinfield and Chris Rock have said they won’t perform on university campuses any more, as they believe that students’ grasp of nuance is poor. Thus is a wider problem which affects all forms of art and discourse. It’s disturbingly getting worse.


  6. I respectfully disagree with you as a victim and artist. Triggers for CPTSD which is what children (like I was) who were abused sexually since infancy have – and triggers are sometimes fatal, however we the survivors can be heard through our voices, like with my art and writing, which is shared world wide and I am named one of 16 artists around the world challenging rape with art. Trigger warnings are just a helpful advisory in order to prepare survivors that if they are experiencing a terrible day of flashbacks, physical pain in our violated places etc that we can move past the post safely. However if you are not a survivor then there is no stopping you from being made aware of sexual violence, rape, sexual abuse, rape culture etc. I fight everyday for my life and for our voices to be heard.

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  7. I agree with your opinion on trigger warnings, it is a ridiculous concept. Of course any kind of traumatic event in one’s life is a horrible thing, that is why we have counselors and psychologists, to help one through such tragedies. We must be able to learn from history and the arts regarding every life situation, it is how society grows and adapts, it is how we attempt to make systemic changes so as not to repeat past mistakes on a societal level. Excellent article, very well said.

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